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			<title>Recommend a good web design company in Yorkshire</title>
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            <div class="smallfont">Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=103356" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">tal</font></u></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1587341" align="justify">Can anyone recommend a good web design company in Yorkshire that can help get a e-commerce up and running</div>
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                        <div id="post_message_1028191" align="justify">Not me, but my parents use Tiscali.<br />
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                        They have had nothing but trouble with it. To start with it was ok, and at a very cheap price too, but lately it has gotten so bad that they needed to change.<br />
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                        Firstly, the connection became intermittent and it was hit or miss wether or not you would be able to get on line.<br />
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                        Then they took too much money from my Dad's account (55 quid instead of the usual 14.99), and it was impossible to get hold of them on the phone.<br />
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                        My Dad then cancelled the DD as he had no guarantee that they wouldn't take that amount the next month. They cancelled his line and demanded 4 months premium off of him, despite him being in credit.<br />
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                        Then, he finally gets hold of them (as I told him he needed to pay them before he could get a MAC code and change) and they say, ok we'll take the rest on such and such a day - they didn't, and his line is still down.<br />
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                        He phones them again and after 3 hours!!!! he finally gets through again and gets told that a MAC code will be emailed to him. Duh!!! He can't get on-line! So they agree to send him one via SMS within 5 days.<br />
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                        Well, I'm not holding my breath to be honest.<br />
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                        EDIT: Update - no MAC code has arrived, as was expected. My father has now WRITTEN to them in an attempt to get it, as trying to phone them is futile and there is no registered email address anywhere on their site for contact. And they call themselves a communications firm! Pah!</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=98883"><u>GuidoT</u></a> on 24th July 2007, 16:34</div>
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                        <div>I used Tiscali as my ISP and left them around a year ago. Worked fine for a while, then stopped working completely. <br />
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                        I tried to trouble shoot the problem with them on the phone (via India) and they were awful, they had no idea what they were talking about - but nor did I. <br />
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                        They told me to purchase a new router, then had me call out BT, eventually I got my own IT field engineer to my house, none of it worked. <br />
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                        This all took several months, they continued to charge me, I stopped the direct debit, they threatened to commence legal proceedings against me for the monthly fee, I wrote to them and particularised my losses of around &pound;700 and they soon went away. <br />
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                        I have not bothered to commence proceedings against them to recover the balance.<br />
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                        Needless to say; it is my considered opinion that they are total pants.<br />
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                        Dave, this may help you or rather your parents. <br />
                        <a target="_blank" href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2006/12/nr_20061213"><u><font color="#22229c">Switching broadband provider | Ofcom</font></u></a></div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=1"><font color="#ff8429"><u>dave</u></font></a> on 24th July 2007, 16:47</div>
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                        <div>Thanks for that, but I think they are going to go with Griffin Internet for now - it may not be the cheapest, but the quality and consistently good service is worth it.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=57613"><u>mollington</u></a> on 24th July 2007, 20:36</div>
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                        <div>well in there intrest of fairness , Ive been with tiscali for about 5 years and ive never had any promblems , and when i phoned up to change to broadband i got though to a lovely lady who was more than happy to explain it to me ,</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=169210"><u>2Grumpy</u></a> on 1st August 2007, 15:56</div>
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                        <div>I've been with Tiscali since I changed to broadand a few years ago. <br />
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                        No problems. Even managed to work when my phone was down for 2 weeks while BT were working on replacing cables in the area. <br />
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                        No billing problems either, although when they cut their rates I had to contact them to get the new rate!</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=160397"><u>dhg</u></a> on 3rd August 2007, 14:33</div>
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                        <div>Ive had nothing but trouble with Talk Talk. Which? magazine states their top 3 ISP's are Global, Waitrose(who donate their profit 2 charity) and Zen. All of which have more or less have full marks for connection, customer service and value for money (and something else i cant think of). Hope this helps <br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=151431"><u>tomterm8</u></a> on 3rd August 2007, 14:47</div>
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                        <div>I've been on Tiscalli for a couple of years, no problems yet.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=103127"><u>gillytilly</u></a> on 3rd August 2007, 18:28</div>
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                        <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Default" alt="Default" border="0" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" /> <strong>Re: Tiscali</strong></div>
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                                    <div>Originally Posted by <strong>tomterm8</strong> <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/computer-services-reviews-review/107044-tiscali-j.html#post1054879"><img class="inlineimg" title="View Post" alt="View Post" border="0" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" /></a></div>
                                    <div style="font-style: italic">I've been on Tiscalli for a couple of years, no problems yet.</div>
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                        I was with Tiscali and the line was meant to be switched on in the Sep and we still were waiting for it to be done in Dec. Thety did however manage to change my dial up to PAYG without telling me and incurring over &pound;200 phone bill. When i complained and that was a laugh (via India) I was told tough. So i told them that i would be contacting the Ombudsman to complain, they changed there story and my billl. So i still complained and moved to BT who after teething problems, i have had no problems. Still not got 1471 or voicemail facility yet lol<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=92474"><font color="#ff8429"><u>Mr lex</u></font></a> on 14th September 2007, 11:01</div>
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                        <div>I have been with Tiscali for over 12 months on the &pound;19.50 a month Broadband and phone package. So far I have not had too many problems, if they are out of service for any reason, I get a email from their costumer support team detailing why and when it will be returned to normal.<br />
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                        I would give them 8/10<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=185710"><u>weenic1984</u></a> on 1st November 2007, 18:43</div>
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                        <div>i have had nothing but probelms with tiscali.i joined with them on 27th Oct 06 and it took them until mid dec to activate broadband<br />
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                        They then give out false info about transfering the line when your moving. We have moved to sky now who have been brilliant but were are still being charged for calls in our old flat which we have not made and have cancelled the account.<br />
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                        E-mailing the enquiries is obviously going abrouad as they have no idea what you are talking about.<img class="inlineimg" title="Mad" alt="" border="0" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif" /></div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=179424"><u>sytra</u></a> on 3rd November 2007, 18:35</div>
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                        <div>Hi, been with Tiscali for well over a year now, not had any problems at all.<br />
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                        Infact never had any problem with recommending them. We missed about 3 payments to them and they didnt even hassle us, admittedly we called them to explain and they were very helpful and understanding we never had 1 late payment charge or anything like that added.<br />
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                        To be fair the network does go down occasionaly but i think that has happened maybe 4 times in over a year.<br />
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                        We have just upgraded our package to include line rental because we got so pxxxxxd of with BT.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=16026"><u>Lula</u></a> on 3rd November 2007, 18:55</div>
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                        <div>i have been with Tiscali since they introduced the free stuff ooo years ago now, never had a problem, i would be wary of their modems now, before i switched to bb i ended up having to buy a new one because all of theirs wouldnt work, but I have no problems with them.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=169210"><u>2Grumpy</u></a> on 27th November 2007, 21:50</div>
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                        <div>I'm with Tiscali<br />
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                        Broadband ok, but I get lots of spam. When I look at the headers, most of it isn't even addressed to me.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=169210"><u>2Grumpy</u></a> on 18th December 2007, 06:47</div>
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                        <div>I to get a lot of spam with tiscali that wasn't addressed to me<br />
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                        I set up a filter (in their online email) to send any mail where my id is not a recipient to the spam folder - now I only get mail addressed to me<br />
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                        Why do tiscali do that?<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=189019"><u>zebedy1967</u></a> on 19th December 2007, 15:12</div>
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                        yeah i have the same problem since they were hacked several months ago, did what you did and seems fine now,<br />
                        other than that ive been with them 2 years now and never had a problem with them, i thought about changing and applied for them to send me a MAC code, because there was a cheaper firm, so to keep me with them they reduced my monthly bill to &pound;9.99, for the 1.1Mbps service,<br />
                        there call center staff can be a bit unhelpful and thick sometimes but i just phone back the next day and usually get to speak to somebody with a bit of common sense,<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=169210"><u>2Grumpy</u></a> on 20th December 2007, 18:01</div>
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                        <div>Beats me why they say they have anti-spam stuff and then have a great big funnel to point all of the spam for invalid addresses into valid inboxes. <br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=187222"><u>nooneshotjr</u></a> on 5th January 2008, 13:18</div>
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                        <div>i use tiscali. they are ATROCIOUS when it comes to any change to your service - for instance moving. or, one christmas they stopped my service for 6 weeks b/c they were doing something to it (can't remember what now). i got NO notification, nor offer of alternative connection as a get-me-by (e.g. dial up). when i moved house, again - awful. they have zero customer service and their agents are also quite incapable of addressing issues. they seem under-trained.<br />
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                        however, so long as i don't need to change anything - as in move - they are great. aside from that one down period of 6 weeks(!!!!!) and the excessive period it takes them to re-route service on moving, i've had no other downtime in well over 2 years.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=191258"><u>karl77</u></a> on 19th January 2008, 13:00</div>
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                        <div>Hi all<br />
                        Tiscali are terrible &amp; PC World will tell you the same thing ! - very bad customer services,support staff that have'nt got a clue what their talking about,and if your trying to play online games - FORGET IT coz they'll block you from connecting to the sever anywhere from 11:30Its not just that game tiscali are terrible &amp; PC World will tell you the same thing ! - very bad customer services,support staff that have'nt got a clue what their talking about,and if your trying to play online games - FORGET IT coz they'll block you from connecting to the sever anywhere from 11:30am till 12:30am weekends and from 13:00 till 12:00am weekdays - keeping in mind that their so called 'fair user policy ' is from 12:00 till 16:00 weekends and from 18:00 till 23:00 weekdays !!!!!<br />
                        Pure GARBAGE,Do NOT waste your money.<br />
                        am till 12:30am weekends and from 13:00 till 12:00am weekdays - keeping in mind that their so called 'fair user policy ' is from 12:00 till 16:00 weekends and from 18:00 till 23:00 weekdays !!!!!<br />
                        Pure GARBAGE,Do NOT waste your money.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=51047"><u>khoshtip_uk</u></a> on 5th February 2008, 00:12</div>
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                        <div>companys like Tirscali and 3g (phone) are all the same, their customer service is s***, and they all based in india which makes it worst! and ofcourse they dont answer your phone, i was really surprised when i rang 3g and i wasnt able to communicate / hear their voice clearly, wtf arent they a phone company themselfs? <br />
                        you can read my experience on below thread<br />
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                        <a target="_blank" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/telecoms-mobile-fixed/129288-salli-laugh-cry.html"><font color="#22229c"><u>SallI laugh or cry?</u></font></a><br />
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                        <a target="_blank" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-debt/26546-tiscali.html"><font color="#22229c"><u>http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...6-tiscali.html</u></font></a><br />
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                        <a target="_blank" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general-consumer-issues/39704-tiscali-bt-deadlock.html"><u><font color="#22229c">tiscali ! BT !! deadlock</font></u></a></div>
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            <strong>Misco</strong>
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                        <div id="post_message_1069141" align="justify">Misco's product inventory is very keenly priced and if what you want is in stock then there might not be any problem.<br />
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                        One great advantage is that they accept payment by Paypal.<br />
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                        However in the last year they seem to be plagued by declining service standards, poor delivery times, arbitrary security checks which mean that urgent supplies are delayed without warning, failed international deliveries, and where the goods aren't physically in stock, no information is given about the delay until about 2 weeks has elapsed. This is even when it is clear that the item is urgent because next-day-delivery has been requested and paid for.<br />
                        Misco's big gesture for this was to offer to refund the next day delivery charge!!<br />
                        I think that Misco must have moved to a different planet.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=185918" rel="nofollow"><u>RedRich</u></a> on 5th November 2007, 12:22</div>
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                        <div>I have to be honest, I used Misco a few months ago to purchase a piece of software - they were the cheapest I found.<br />
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                        There was an error when ordering over the net, the form appeared not to have been posted and I re-submitted it only to discover that I had just spent &pound;200+ for the second time!<br />
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                        This was well after office hours but I called their number anyway. No recorded messages saying I'm in a queue - I got to speak to a real person who took the details and sorted it out within two minutes.<br />
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                        The software arrived the next but one day (it was after work time when I ordered it so it was effectively the next day, although I did not pay for this service).<br />
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                        The problem was sorted - only charged once.<br />
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                        So, I have to say, (and I have no connection whatsoever with Misco) that for me, their service was excellent.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=91232" rel="nofollow"><u>Robdblynd</u></a> on 10th November 2007, 23:50</div>
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                        <div>I ordered a keyboard from them late one Friday night. I wasn't expecting &quot;great&quot; service given that the keyboard wasn't terribly expensive, just that the order would be fulfilled in reasonable time.<br />
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                        I have to say, the service was fabulous. As I say, ordered online late Friday, no problems at all with ordering or paying. Saturday morning received order confirmation. Monday received email that the item had been shipped. I only paid for standard delivery as the item wasn't needed urgently but it arrived on the Wednesday morning, VERY securely packaged. <br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1002962" align="justify">I've heard a lot of quite negative and quirky things about AOL. I have never used them so I imagined that it was a bit of urban legend and that people choose to hate them simply because they are so big.<br />
                        Then I had to help someone get connected with their new computer through AOL.<br />
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                        Well it seems that everything I have heard may be true.<br />
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                        We were unable to connect to AOL using a completely normal high profile make Modem router. In the end we were obliged to buy a modem specified by AOL themsleves, from their online shop so that it had their software - and it was nearly double the price of anything you could reasonably expect to buy on the High Street. (Abuse of a dominant position in my view). Even then it seems that we were unable to have more than one computer connected to the network at any one time and I then read that many AOL subscriptions are for a single user only! Does any other IP do this? I've never heard of it.<br />
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                        I then cast my mind back and realised that most of our registered users on this site who have problems registering or logging on actually have AOL accounts - something apparently to do with the way AOL distributes dynamic IP addresses so that some people can end up sharing the same address within a very short time so that our server can even think that you are someone else and tell you that you haven't put in the correct password.<br />
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                        What is it about AOL that make people use them? Are they faster? Cheaper? More reliable? Bigger download limits?<br />
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                        I haven't heard anything about any of these things.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=129940" rel="nofollow"><u>Curlyben</u></a> on 15th July 2007, 08:39</div>
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                        <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Default" alt="Default" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" border="0" /> <strong>Re: Aol</strong></div>
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                        <div>AOL, as the name suggests, was designed for the American market as a one stop shop for connection.<br />
                        It bundled together broadband, e-mail, exclusive content including music and videos.<br />
                        It was set up as a kind of walled garden where verything that AOL believed that the menber wanted was pre-packaged, censored, sanitized and generally mucked about with.<br />
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                        Now if you only want a to access a small amount of the internet with a plug and play setup then its perfect, but for members that prefer to go off the beaten track and actually use a search engine, rather than the lame keyword system, then AOL lets you down on all fronts.<br />
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                        AS Bankfodder mentioned, from a technical stand point there is nothing wrong with the offering, but as AOL tends to use a proxy system this can result in some annoying results.<br />
                        Basically they operate a large proxy pool of IP's that are regularly redistributed between their members, thus casuing some annoyance on sites that note your IP as well as user details.<br />
                        It becomes even worse when it comes to e-mail as a number of other suppliers have black listed AOL's mail servers due to high volumes of spam.<br />
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                        Now to some up.<br />
                        AOL is designed for the NON technical member. Someone that just wants to surf to a small number of &quot;safe&quot; sites and that know very little about computers and online security, hence all the bundled security suites, and browser. They are under the, I believe false impression, that they are safe as AOL is looking out for them.<br />
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                        In my professional experience, AOL members are a being fooled into believing that the internet is a nice shiny place where nothing nasty happens. AOL mambers' machines I have found contain the MOST malware, etc of any connected computers.<br />
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                        This is one of the reasons I believe that people that are new to computers and online activities should be shown the basics of at least how to stay safe online and being weary of nasties, like a CBT for coumputers.<br />
                        The simple stuff like ensuring security sutes are working and updated, simple maintenance, being aware of e-mail scams, etc.<br />
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                        Hope this has helped in some little way.<br />
                        IMHO avoid AOL altogether and get broadband form another supplier, why pay for the bundled extras when you don't really want them and wont use them.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=43164" rel="nofollow"><u>mickj2904</u></a> on 17th July 2007, 19:43</div>
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                        <div>Hi<br />
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                        I've been with AOL for years and as stated earlier its very easy for us non tech people. I've honestly never had a problem but I wouldn't say I'm a heavy user though I do keep the computer on. I've got my Dad on - is there such a things as a ultra non tech? - and I have my businesses on. I get hammered by people saying &quot;you DONT use AOL do you&quot; and like a person with some addiction I just reply embarrassed &quot; I do &quot; and then give a &quot;Oh we are looking to move to a better provider&quot; hopefully to give me some credibility!<br />
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                        AOL is very simple to use and I guess its what you are comfortable with that matters.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=73427" rel="nofollow"><u>royboy68</u></a> on 18th July 2007, 14:35</div>
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                        <div>Hi Ive been with aol from the outset which is quite a few years, in fact when my first computer had valves on the m.board. Apart from the monthly subscription which seems to be lower or below than other providers Ive never had to pay for any routers with them. I know at first I had to make sure i had a computer with a built in modem but since moving to broadband i have had 2 routers from them at no cost. I did try Telewest for a short time included in a cable package but found that all i got was the use of their server to rout through, anything else and i was at the mercy of IE. I do get the odd problem with it like not being able to access Yahoo mail but thats all. From what i have heard there seems to be far more problems with other providers like BT has lots of connection problems. My Gfriend regularly asks me to check BTs fault page to see why she cant log on or access things when shes on line and there seems to be loads of faults listed. I'm no massive aol fan but if its not broken don't try and fix it.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=2062" rel="nofollow"><u>Janet-M</u></a> on 18th July 2007, 15:00</div>
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                        <div>I have been with Aol for about 7 years I have had no problem with them .I get my unlimited connection for &pound;9.99 a month I have my phone calls with them local and national unlimited for &pound;4.99 a month .Free tech help .and if you complain about anything ( and I am very good at complaining <img class="inlineimg" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" /> ) you get credits to your account , sometimes quite a lot .I think I have had an excellent service with them with both dial up then Broadband.Until now grrrrrrrrr I have gone wireless or at least got the router to. The tech have done everything to try and find a problem as I can't go wireless either no signal or very weak signal .They have so far credited &pound;40 to my account because of my complaining and sent me another router , only just got it so not tried it.I can link both PC's up by ethernet so really it's ok and every few weeks I complain and get more credit .So for what it actually costs me, it meets my needs, I am happy to stay with them.<br />
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                        The only really really big complaint I have had is there indian call centres as it's completly different service to their Irish one if they can't understand your dialect they sometimes put the phone down on you .Also they seem to work by a script so if you ask a question off script they are completly lost AND they don't give credits <img class="inlineimg" title="Sad" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/sad.gif" border="0" />.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=152609" rel="nofollow"><u>Digitalfriend</u></a> on 19th July 2007, 10:45</div>
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                        <div>Ahhhh AOHELL as i like to call them, ever since the days of the 28k modem i have never liked them, back then they used to restrict access to the internet making you pay extra to visit certain sites that were not a part of their network or not in their interests for you to be viewing, they also had so many backdoors open on systems that it was a hackers dream, i remember in my younger days running open port ip scans on the AOL IP range and commonly finding thousands of open systems.<br />
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                        I always swore to avoid AOL as a provider and warned my mum about them as well, however when i lived in a flat above her (long story) she ordered AOL broadband, after blowing my top at her, she pointed out that she had already signed the contract and was stuck with it, unless she paid up 12 months in advance to get out of it (NICE!) so i decided oh well i might as well use and abuse her broadband, and networked our computers together, taking into account that broadband adsl is primarily for multiple computers to be able to access the internet at the same time, this shouldn't of been a problem, apart from the AOL software stopped the internet sharing wizard, and also altered the network settings so that you couldn't set it up manually either.<br />
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                        So a quick call to AOL revealed that it was IMPOSSIBLE to network and use AOL ADSL on multiple computers to access the internet (WHAT A SCAM) of course i didn't accept this and promptly bypassed their systems and had both machines online at the same time, and phoned them again to say what if i did this, to which they catagorically denied that i had done that, and that i wasn't browsing on two machines at the same time lol.<br />
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                        Shortly after that however aol changed its system to allow you not to have to use its incredibly resource hungry front end, and just use a dialer system.<br />
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                        Personally i still tell everyone to avoid AOL, their customer service is awful, and as you found compatiblity with hardware a nightmare, the best use i have found for an AOL cd is using it as a placemat for my coffee cup.<br />
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                        Tony<br />
                        Source of knowlege:- working with computers since i was 5yrs old</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=98343" rel="nofollow"><u>mrsfoot</u></a> on 21st July 2007, 17:04</div>
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                        <div>I had to add my two pence worth to this review.<br />
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                        I have been on dial up for EVER!! Then BT decided to bring my village into the 21st centuary and wham bam I got AOL Broadband.<br />
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                        Now I am not technically minded, but I do have a brother who is a whizz at PC maintainance and another who writes programmes for banks, airlines etc. So both called and offered their services to intall braodband. &quot;its ok&quot; was my reply &quot;im sure it cant be that hard&quot; and do you know what...it was easy as ABC. It was installed within 30 minutes, including the wireless section which means I can use the lap top while the children use the pc or visa versa.<br />
                        I had to call the call centre with a question (as the disc they sent with the package forgets to tell you to restart the pc in order to be able to use B/B. During the conversation the assistant (who was Indian) was very helpful and thanked me for raising the issue of the disc. I then got an eail offering &pound;40 caredit to my account from Customer Services for the trouble of ringing in!!<br />
                        I have no problems with downloading. I have compared my service to my dad who has virgin (ntl) and he has so many cock ups (not literally) that he is considering changing. I have friends who are on onetel and in my opinion its an awful system which dont allow email from AOL and dont allow members to email aol. Why it is up to them who their members email is beyond me!<br />
                        Just my two pence worth!</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=158841" rel="nofollow"><u>garygumps</u></a> on 24th July 2007, 13:21</div>
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                        <div>Why does everyone seem to think the grass is always greener on the other side?<br />
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                        To explain, when I first got a modern &quot;multi media&quot; PC (my previous computer was a 486!) with a 56K modem I chose AOL basically because (a) A CD had come through the post and (b) I probably didn't know any better!<br />
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                        Anyway, another reason was that they were one of the first to offer a flat rate 24 hour access, with no limits for &pound;14.99. Pretty good value at the time. When broadband arrived, I upgraded to AOL gold . Again a no fuss no limit service. I've since installed home networking (when AOL started supporting it) and was supplied with a wired DG834 Netgear router (great trusty bit of kit). I installed myself after a while a wireless access point to provide a link for the laptop that was bought later. To cut a long story short, I now run 2 PC's, 2 laptops and 3 games consoles (PS2, PS3 &amp; Xbox) through AOL's connection without any problems. The router system even means I don't need to run AOL's software (which I always found a bit &quot;childish&quot; anyway).<br />
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                        Truth be told I'm probably paying a bit over the odds (&pound;25 pm) for my internet connection, and have sometimes looked at changing provider, but am put off at the hassle stories of switching provider etc. As they say, if it aint broke don't fix it!<br />
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                        I just thought I'd stick up for AOL. You get horror stories about any of the IP providers and I think it all comes down to individual circumstances (location etc) at how good a service you get.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=97498" rel="nofollow"><u>therafalution</u></a> on 24th July 2007, 21:00</div>
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                        <div>I have had a dial-up connection with aol for about 18 months and i haven't had any problems with them despite everyone warning me about how poor the system is. Is it true that if you try to remove aol it can damage your computer?</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=98343" rel="nofollow"><u>mrsfoot</u></a> on 25th July 2007, 13:10</div>
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                        <div>No it is not true.<br />
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                        Can you imagine the compensation to be paid out by AOL if it damages pc's. Although this &quot;advice&quot; has been around for a while it is mainly given by users of other interent providers when they realise you are still on dial up in this &quot;must be faster&quot; era. I used Dial up for years, and have only just recently converted to broadband....see post 6.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=117349" rel="nofollow"><u>Duffers Mum</u></a> on 25th July 2007, 14:15</div>
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                        <div>AOL? Aarrgh I hate it! Unfortunately when we moved house it was the only broadband supplier we could get, we had it previously and looked forward to using another ISP when we moved, but it wasn't to be. I find it conflicts with everything, our latest problem is that windows did an automatic update and now we can't access half of the web sites we want to. Tech support is useless, an Indian call centre working from scripts. Hoping that by the time our 12 month contract is up we will be able to go to somebody else. My advice to anyone thinking of using AOL, steer well clear, its useless! <img class="inlineimg" title="Smile" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" /></div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=139874" rel="nofollow"><u>MATTYFEZ</u></a> on 7th August 2007, 08:34</div>
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                        <div>My two pennies worth...<br />
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                        AOL is great for those who are not very compurter savy, I would reccomend them over BT any day to those kind of people.<br />
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                        yes they are overpriced for the true speed they offer, but ive just upgraded my nan from dial-up to BT broadband, and as soon as i installed it i thought, damn, i should have gone with AOL.<br />
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                        I have a lot of experience with AOL, and i must say they are very good for the kind of people that &quot;dont do computers&quot;<br />
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                        in reply to the first post.......why didnt you just use the router they gave you? lol</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=98343" rel="nofollow"><u>mrsfoot</u></a> on 7th August 2007, 19:09</div>
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                        <div>I have just had a &quot;chat&quot; with an aol employee. I was most annoyed to find AOL / Carphone warehouse are joining together and if you upgrade to BB you get a free lap top. &quot;No way&quot; says the OH...&quot;yes way&quot; says me. So I called them and asked for my lap top. &quot;OOOOOOhhhhh Mrsfoot you cant have it&quot; came the response &quot;as you are in a contract with us and its only been 3 weeks&quot;. &quot;Oh really&quot; says I. <br />
                        &quot;So when did this offer began&quot; I asked. &quot;2 and half weeks ago&quot; came the reply. &quot;MMMMMMM so let me think, i upgrade 3 days before the offer and no one thinks to tell me...and you think a small hiccup like a contract clause telling me I will have to pay you for me going is goin to stop me going to Orange who are giving free lap tops?&quot; says me with a i love the UTCCR's smile on my face. &quot;Errrrrn Mrsfoot let me re arrange your contract, I will begin it again from today and you will receive you lap top at the end of September&quot;<br />
                        Oh and to top it off......I got a free month for the trouble <img class="inlineimg" title="Wink" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" /></div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=5" rel="nofollow"><font color="#ff8429"><u>BankFodder</u></font></a> on 7th August 2007, 22:23</div>
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                                    <div>Originally Posted by <strong>MATTYFEZ</strong> <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/computer-services-reviews-review/105140-aol.html#post1061834" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" title="View Post" alt="View Post" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" /></a></div>
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                                    in reply to the first post.......why didnt you just use the router they gave you? lol</div>
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                        Because it was very low spec.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=183556" rel="nofollow"><u>blissman70</u></a> on 1st October 2007, 12:42</div>
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                                    <div>Originally Posted by <strong>mrsfoot</strong> <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/computer-services-reviews-review/105140-aol.html#post1063397" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" title="View Post" alt="View Post" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" /></a></div>
                                    <div style="font-style: italic">I have just had a &quot;chat&quot; with an aol employee. I was most annoyed to find AOL / Carphone warehouse are joining together and if you upgrade to BB you get a free lap top. &quot;No way&quot; says the OH...&quot;yes way&quot; says me. So I called them and asked for my lap top. &quot;OOOOOOhhhhh Mrsfoot you cant have it&quot; came the response &quot;as you are in a contract with us and its only been 3 weeks&quot;. &quot;Oh really&quot; says I. <br />
                                    &quot;So when did this offer began&quot; I asked. &quot;2 and half weeks ago&quot; came the reply. &quot;MMMMMMM so let me think, i upgrade 3 days before the offer and no one thinks to tell me...and you think a small hiccup like a contract clause telling me I will have to pay you for me going is goin to stop me going to Orange who are giving free lap tops?&quot; says me with a i love the UTCCR's smile on my face. &quot;Errrrrn Mrsfoot let me re arrange your contract, I will begin it again from today and you will receive you lap top at the end of September&quot;<br />
                                    Oh and to top it off......I got a free month for the trouble <img class="inlineimg" title="Wink" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" /></div>
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                        can you give me the contact number of the person you spoke to as the people i speak to generally can't help me at all.<br />
                        And have you got your laptop yet as i'm still waiting.?</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=175585" rel="nofollow"><u>guttedconsumer</u></a> on 3rd October 2007, 16:01</div>
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                        <div>AOL Broadband service is OK. Maybe because once I am connected I do not use the AOL website as my default. In fact I only had to dig out my AOL username recently after about a year.<br />
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                        It is the part where one has to deal with AOL knucklehead telephone reps that sucks big time. Also their marketing people may be guilty of miselling. <br />
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                        To give a typical example I have just upgraded to the &pound;19.99 package because of the offer of a free laptop. Unbeknown to me there is a bundle in this package of pay as you go. The telephone automatons say there is no way one can cancel the pay as you go part without an increase in the monthly payments to &pound;29.99. Now if that is not daylight robbery, I don't know what else is.</div>
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                        <div id="post_message_1086672" align="justify">I'm not too sure what the deal is. There are a number of Voip services which are using the same software but with different badges. They all offer good sound quality free calls to landlines in an amazingly wide range of countries.<br />
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                        One of these services is 12Voip. However whether it is because of a scam or a glitch, when you top up your account with 10 Euros of credit, instead of getting 90 free days, you are informed that your free time has expired. You are then charged 1 cent per minute. This is still cheap but the other related providers are free and anyway, this is not what is promised by 12Voip.<br />
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                        A check on the Internet revealed that this &quot;glitch&quot; has been going on some time and no one can do anything about it as 12Voip don't respond to messages.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=183083" rel="nofollow"><u>blogsy</u></a> on 23rd September 2007, 23:29</div>
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                        <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Thumbs down" alt="Thumbs down" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif" border="0" /> <strong>Re: 12VOIP - best to avoid</strong></div>
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                        <div>I agree I'm having exactly the same problem .I've been using voipbuster happily for over 2 years -excellent all round, suddenly they would no longer accept paypal payments nor credit card payments .they would only accept payment via western union -ridiculously high fees or via a reseller (questionable no reference remote email contact, complaints in forums etc)<br />
                        I ve since been trialling 12voip australia to spain supposedly free I've only just joined and paid 10Euros!!! and immediately im being charged ,also there is no phone to phone facility once again stated in their documentation but not visible on their console!<br />
                        Have emailed also , no response <img class="inlineimg" title="Evil or Very Mad" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif" border="0" /></div>
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                                    <div class="smallfont">up to 24meg connection for &pound;25 per month<br />
                                    Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=139874" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">MATTYFEZ</font></u></a><br />
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                                                <div id="post_message_1061790" align="justify">Ive been with this service for about 3 months now, and reccomend them 100%<br />
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                                                The service is only available in certain areas, and even then, they will only sell to you if your telephone line is of good quality. the reason for this is because they are ultra-fast and your line distance from the exchange can significantly impact the speed of the service.<br />
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                                                GOOD POINTS:<br />
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                                                uber fast internet<br />
                                                no download limits, and a big upload speed, perfect for downloading large media files.<br />
                                                No traffic control/port throttling/packet shaping..again perfect for media guru's<br />
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                                                BAD POINTS:<br />
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                                                There is sometimes disconections, but Ive always been advised by email beforehand, and they are generally only for a few hours at a time, these disconnections in my experience are about once a month, not an issue for me.<br />
                                                You get no email, no user interface like AOL etc. its very much a no-frills very fast connection, so you will need a hotmail or yahoo or simmilar email service.<br />
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                                                IN SUMMARY<br />
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                                                This is an &quot;up to 24 meg&quot; service, you simply wont get a 24meg connection unless you live next door to a british telecom exchange.<br />
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                                                However, with this in mind, i live 1.8km from my exchange and <br />
                                                I get a REAL WORLD consistant 12meg download speed, and a 1.2meg upload, which is stupendously fast.<br />
                                                I can download a movie* in under 20 mins.<br />
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                                                If you are into your online media and you live in a Be* enabled area, there is simply no competition.<br />
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                                                *The movie I downloaded was pre-paid from an official supplier, and no copyright laws were infringed during this process<img class="inlineimg" title="Smile" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" /></div>
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                        <div id="post_message_1061790" align="justify">Ive been with this service for about 3 months now, and reccomend them 100%<br />
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                        <br />
                        The service is only available in certain areas, and even then, they will only sell to you if your telephone line is of good quality. the reason for this is because they are ultra-fast and your line distance from the exchange can significantly impact the speed of the service.<br />
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                        GOOD POINTS:<br />
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                        uber fast internet<br />
                        no download limits, and a big upload speed, perfect for downloading large media files.<br />
                        No traffic control/port throttling/packet shaping..again perfect for media guru's<br />
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                        BAD POINTS:<br />
                        <br />
                        There is sometimes disconections, but Ive always been advised by email beforehand, and they are generally only for a few hours at a time, these disconnections in my experience are about once a month, not an issue for me.<br />
                        You get no email, no user interface like AOL etc. its very much a no-frills very fast connection, so you will need a hotmail or yahoo or simmilar email service.<br />
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                        IN SUMMARY<br />
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                        This is an &quot;up to 24 meg&quot; service, you simply wont get a 24meg connection unless you live next door to a british telecom exchange.<br />
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                        However, with this in mind, i live 1.8km from my exchange and <br />
                        I get a REAL WORLD consistant 12meg download speed, and a 1.2meg upload, which is stupendously fast.<br />
                        I can download a movie* in under 20 mins.<br />
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                        If you are into your online media and you live in a Be* enabled area, there is simply no competition.<br />
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                        *The movie I downloaded was pre-paid from an official supplier, and no copyright laws were infringed during this process<img class="inlineimg" title="Smile" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" /></div>
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            <div class="smallfont">Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=101755" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">diskmandave</font></u></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1003286" align="justify">I use these...<br />
                        <a href="http://www.internetcalls.com/en/index.html" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Internetcalls - The Free Internet Calls Company</font></u></a><br />
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                        Paid 10e just to credit account and use it regularly to call relatives in Australia for nothing. Still got e8.83 in credit over a year on. Must have had hundreds of pounds worth of calls with it.<br />
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=5" rel="nofollow"><font color="#ff8429"><u>BankFodder</u></font></a> on 15th July 2007, 18:50</div>
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                        <div>They may be the same people as Voipcheap. They certainly use exactly the same interface. Another one is VoipBuster</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=179300" rel="nofollow"><u>voipirates</u></a> on 5th August 2007, 13:24</div>
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                        <div>There is a brand new voip-comparison site. If you want to know the best rates, please visit voiPIRATES</div>
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                        <div id="post_message_1030653" align="justify">Well, what can I say? What I expected to be a nightmare turned out to be a trouble free experience.<br />
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                        I bought a laptop from Acer (through Misco) nearly 9 months ago - pretty soon after I got it, it's fan started making a terrible noise. I couldn't return the laptop at that time as my house had just caught fire and I was in rented temp. accommodation with no phone, tv, etc... (see my review of Ecclesiastical insurance regarding this!) and this was my only means of communication (plus the TwTM show was going out).<br />
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                        Anyway, once I finally managed to get hold of a returns number - the delay in which was caused in some part by my not remembering where I bought the thing from - they came and collected it last Friday at about 3pm.<br />
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                        They must have recieved it on the Saturday, worked on it on the Monday and posted it back on the Tuesday. I got it today (Wednesday).<br />
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                        Now, I don't know about you, but I expected this to take weeks.<br />
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                        The fan is fixed and they even cleaned the laptop up as well, including the screen for me, which is a nice touch (it wasn't that dirty to be honest, but it's still a nice thing to do).<br />
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                        So overall, a company that does what they say they are going to, which is becoming very rare in the UK IMO.<br />
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                        They get a 9/10 from me.<br />
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            Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=1" rel="nofollow"><font color="#ff8429"><u>dave</u></font></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1028205" align="justify">I have used Griffin Internet since they were recommended to my by a friend some 3 years ago.<br />
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                        The service has been excellent since the start - I have never had cause to complain. In fact, on the odd occassion when I was not paid on time and their DD bounced, I got a polite email telling me so, and a phone call where I would explain what had happened and they would say &quot;ok, don't worry about it, just pay us when you can&quot; (or words to that effect).<br />
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                        The quality of the line is excellent, as is the uptime - in fact, I cannot remember it ever being down.<br />
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                        You also get a static IP address (up to 5) and all the usual gubbins.<br />
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                        Incidently, it may not shock you to hear that after receiving this service from them consistently for so long, that we here at the ConsumerForums (and honestly, this has not tainted my review, if they were poo, I would have said so) have just applied and been accepted to become resellers for them, which means if you decide to <br />
                        move to Griffin Internet then we will recieve a commission.<br />
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                        Not only will you be getting excellent service and a quality line, you will also be helping to keep this site alive - now what could be better than that?<br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1001178" align="justify">Most people have heard of Skype. When I started using it there were typically 1.5 million people online at any time. Now there are almost always about 8 millions<br />
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                        Who has heard of VoipCheap? Not too many people but it is seriously cheap. Mainly free. I save hundreds of pounds every month as I have to make a lot of International phone calls. I've been using VoipCheap for nearly three years. I thought that there was a catch but there was none. I thought that they would suddenly put up ther prices - but they haven't done.<br />
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                        You download the free software from VoipCheap.com, sign up to an account and lodge &pound;10 credit. You then have access to free calls to landlines in a very large number of countries in the world. You have to pay to call mobiles and landlines in a few countries but Europe, USA and Oz are free. Russia and Japan too. Even when you call a pay number the cost of the calls are very cheap - much cheaper than Skype. It is when you make those pay calls that you gradually use up your &pound;10 until it is gone and then you replenish.<br />
                        VoipCheap has a PC to PC function, a chat function and the interface is simple and straightforward. Log on at any computer, call up your VoipCheap account and all your contacts are there for you.<br />
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                        I even copied the VoipCheap program from my programs folder onto a USB storage device - and amazingly it works from there. I can visit internet cafes and access VoipCheap through the program stored on my USB device.<br />
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                        Quality is just as good or as bad as Skype. The only problems as far as I can see is that VoipCheap doesn't have all the bells and whistles that Skype has and I suppose that this is because it is not popular enough to have prompted third party developers to write software for it.<br />
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                        I really can't understand why VoipCheap hasn't caught on the way Skype has. Clearly they are seriously deficient in the marketing department.<br />
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                        For me the main drawback for me is that CallBurner recording software won't work with it so I use Skype for banks and VoipCheap for the rest.</div>
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                                    <div>Originally Posted by <strong>jamesrap</strong> <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/computer-services-reviews-review/105017-voipcheap-internet-telephone-software-post1001874.html#post1001874" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" title="View Post" alt="View Post" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" border="0" /></a></div>
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                        Yes it is. The original would have to be available and the person who arranged or made the recording would probably be required to swear to its integrity. I would want to provide a transcript of the recording supported by an affidavit</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=28189" rel="nofollow"><u>vincymum</u></a> on 18th July 2007, 22:40</div>
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                        <div>This product sounds great. I'm not too hot with this sort of thing, but I reckon even I could manage to download the free software.<br />
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                        Is there a list of countries that would come under the umbrella of USA to call landlines free, and are ther some countries in Europe that you couldn't call free to a landline? Italy always seems to be the exception to most rules, which is why I ask.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=5" rel="nofollow"><font color="#ff8429"><u>BankFodder</u></font></a> on 18th July 2007, 23:08</div>
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                        <div>There is a full list of tariffs on their site.<br />
                        I'm sure that Italy is free. I have an idea that calls to USA mobiles may be free as well.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=28189" rel="nofollow"><u>vincymum</u></a> on 18th July 2007, 23:24</div>
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                        <div>Many thanks for your quick response. Will definately have a look on their website. If the Italy comes under the Europe umbrella then xmas has come early for me!<br />
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            <div class="smallfont">Both as bad as each other<br />
            Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=183626" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">jabbathehutt</font></u></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1159549" align="justify">We ordered an expensive computer set up (well over &pound;2000) with a good quality monitor for the purposes of photo editing.<br />
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                        Firstly the company did not meet the promised delivery date, twice, and then when we took the day off to receive the goods they didn't arrive. When we finally got it was missing some of the USB ports. These were then sent separately.<br />
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                        Our monitor broke down within 9 months. Mesh told us that we had to take that up with the company as they didn't offer a guarantee. We did that. The company (Viewsonic) eventually delivered another monitor which I rather stupidly didn't inspect but I was on my way out to work and didn't have time. Big mistake! We unpacked it that evening. Not only did it turn out to be broken around the trim and the circuit board behind the switches was clearly visible, it wasn't even new. It did, however, have a nice sticker on the back saying that it had been inspected and PASSED. Whoopy doo! We telephoned Viewsonic straight away and they said we had to send them a photo to PROVE that the monitor was damaged. They would then get someone to look at the photo and decide whether WE had broken it or not. If they decided that WE had broken it they wouldn't replace it. They also tried to blame the delivery man but then continued to accuse us of breaking it when we said that the delivery firm they use was their responsibility not ours.<br />
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                        We phoned Mesh again but they were completely uninterested. They said that they were merely a supplier and that even under the sales of goods act they had fulfilled their responsibilities.<br />
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                        If it were a cheap, &pound;50 quid monitor I would have thrown up my hands and bought another one but it was nearer &pound;300.<br />
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                        I am absolutely appalled and deeply insulted by the attitudes of both companies. <br />
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                        Laughingly, Viewsonic's blurb on their website's Customer Care page says:<br />
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                        &quot;<font face="Arial"><font color="#333333"><font color="#000080">At ViewSonic, we are devoted to customer satisfaction and committed to positive relationships with every company and individual with whom we do business. We strive to understand your interests and concerns, and treat you with respect, courtesy and consideration</font>.&quot;</font></font><br />
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                        <font face="Arial"><font color="#333333">Although Mesh aren't the manufacturers of the monitor I would have expected them to be more helpful. They must surely have quite a bit of clout with Viewsonic if they do business with them and a phone call from Mesh might have gone a long way.</font></font><br />
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                        <font face="Arial"><font color="#333333">As we are now researching which computer to buy for the children...you know...top of the range graphics card, fast response gaming monitor, huge memory for the ever increasing size of games, not to mention the huge media files they keep...you can probably work out for yourselves where we <i>won't</i> be buying.</font></font></div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=195570" rel="nofollow"><u>Quady</u></a> on 9th March 2008, 18:53</div>
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            <div>viewsonic change monitors on one dead pixel so if a monitor was to come smashed up they would exchange it which they did.<br />
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            But how can you tell from a photo how the damage happened, I think the viewsonic employee was pulling your chain or your not telling the full story.<br />
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            Phone up again and don't mention the last call. Being calm with a good tone will help. Angry people get nothing.</div>
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            <div class="smallfont">Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=65273" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">100mel</font></u></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1107529" align="justify">Earlier this month I purchased a Toshiba laptop from laptops direct.co.uk paying by debit card for &quot;next day delivery&quot;. The goods had not arrived some 5 days later. Contacting the company became a nightmare of music on hold, being cut off and never being able to speak to anyone. I was told firstly that my order had been despatched and then the admission was made that they didn't have the goods and had never had at the time my order was paid for. I cancelled the order and am still waiting for credit of monies - nearly &pound;800 - amazingly my account can be debited instantly - returning the funds is an ongoing problem for three weeks. I have now raised a dispute via my bank but just a warning to anyone else thinking of dealing with this company who advertise heavily in the computer press. They do a good sales job with good prices and attractive offers but the customer service is non existent</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=216550" rel="nofollow"><u>Peedoff let me register</u></a> on 3rd September 2008, 16:59</div>
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            <div>i've currently purchased a laptop from laptopsdirect when it turns up, they were quick to dispatch but parcelforce have since lost the item. Although laptopsdirect are not to blame, there customer service is slow. they have failed to respond to any of the e-messages sent to them. although when i phoned the call was answered quickly, they are yet to let me know what is happening. apparently they have to wait for parcelforce to confirm to them that they have lost it, well they have already informed me, after lots of e-messaging enquiring about the parcel's whereabouts. <br />
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            should be alot simpler to sort out, laptops direct actually say on their website they have a good relationship with the courier service lol. a system should be in place that is of less inconvenience to the consumer, parcelforce should contact laptops direct immediately, whom have a next day delivery service, less hassle for consumer. they can sort the mess out for themselves...losing things in transit should not be the consumer's problem but too often is.</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=186502" rel="nofollow"><u>shaaaauuuun</u></a> on 20th September 2008, 15:40</div>
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            <div>We ordered an Acer Windows XP laptop, and when it came, it had Vista preinstalled on it. So, we called up and reported the problem. Unbelieveably, the agent who answered the phone tried to charge us &pound;8 for them to rearrange delivery of the correct laptop. After a completely irrational and unnecessary struggle during which no manager wished to come to the phone, the agent agreed to not charge us. So, we packaged up the laptop, and it was quickly collected, and we were given a new delivery date of the next available Saturday.<br />
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            Saturday came, and we got a phone call to tell us that they had received the wrong laptop back at their warehouse, but they couldn't tell us where the new one was. They didn't have any information to give us, and told us &quot;if it's not there by 1pm assume it's not coming.&quot; Why one earth give us a call if you actually don't know what you are talking about? Then, to add insult to injury, we got an e-mail informing us that 1) the wrong laptop had been returned, 2) a new order for the correct laptop had been raised, and 3) it was due to be delivered within the next 3-5 working days. Now they've told us the laptop is no longer available, and when we tried to talk to them via their &quot;live chat&quot; option, the agent told us in a nutshell that he was sales, he couldn't look up our details, didn't have the information we wanted, and we would have to call the Order Processing Number, which turned out to be a mailbox. So, the point of &quot;live chat&quot; is what, exactly? Another method of fobbing customers off?<br />
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            We went to our local PC shop, who stock the laptop we want and have plenty of it. My advice is - read reviews before shopping onlinec - I must say I was completely overwhelmed by the amount of bad reviews of this company. It's absolutely incredible how this company has not been investigated by Trading Standards of the Office of Fair Trading yet! Stay away and use a reputable company with actual customer service.</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=221844" rel="nofollow"><u>Plaintiff123</u></a> on 14th October 2008, 05:48</div>
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            <div>During the week of 6th October 2008, I served a claim against Easy Computer Ltd. of Huddersfield (also trading as Acer Direct, Laptops Direct, &amp;c).<br />
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            Since the matter will be going before a court unless the company has a change of heart, it is inappropriate to make any comment. However, the text of any claim made through a county court is, I&rsquo;m told, considered to be in the public domain. So, herewith:<br />
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            On 25th June, 2008, I received an Acer Aspire 5920G computer and bundle, purchased new for &pound;XXX.XX using my XXXXX credit card, from Easy Computers Ltd., a retailer. <br />
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            The computer gave error messages during the start-up procedure. There were hardware problems in the hard drive, the optical drive and possibly the screen. The software failed within an hour, rendering the computer unusable. <br />
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            Having asked the retailer for help by several emails and telephone calls without success (although free technical help was supposed to be part of the package), I wrote to them on 30th June, rejecting the computer as unsatisfactory and seeking a full refund with reference to the Sale of Goods Act 1979. <br />
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            The retailer responded (on 8th July) that that the computer was &quot;repair only&quot; unless I referred to the manufacturer for a return number. I believe that this response disregarded my rights under the Sale of Goods Act; in any event, the manufacturer told me that they do not issue return numbers and that they've previously told Easy Computers so. <br />
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            The computer was finally returned to the retailer, whose agent acknowledged in a telephone conversation (on 14th August, of which I have a recording) that 'some faults were found'. In a later conversation, another agent, while admitting that the computer was unusable when I received it, was adamant that there would be no refund or replacement. <br />
            I reluctantly agreed to accept the repaired computer subject to being able to refer the faults back to the retailer if they should persist / reappear. The agent then said that the retailer would accept no responsibility of any sort after seven days: I believed this stipulation to be a further dismissal of my rights under the Sale of Goods Act, and I therefore reverted to rejecting the computer. <br />
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            I have had no further response from the retailer. [XXXXX credit card told me (12th September) that the retailer, who had not answered previous letters from the bank, has now claimed that there were no faults in the computer; however, the retailer has not communicated this to me.].<br />
            The retailer currently holds both the computer with bundle and the funds which I paid for it. I seek a full refund. (Also expenses and consequential losses.)<br />
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            US companies have learned that the Internet is restoring a degree of muscle to the customers, and that it is increasingly difficult ride roughshod over them. This posting is my first essay at flexing those muscles.<br />
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            I may post this text on other sites.</div>
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            <div>My recomendation from whome to purchase a laptop would be Novatech, based in Portsmouth:<br />
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            <a href="http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/rangecat.jsp?t=nb" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">View our range of Value Laptops, Gaming Laptops and Cheap Laptops @ Novatech</font></u></a><br />
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            They recieve rave reviews for service, good quality products and are one of the few companies that trully cater for gaming laptops.<br />
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            Just google reviews of their service/products for confirmation.</div>
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            <div>Easy to order, and at a good price, but I have had plenty of leisure to regret this purchase.<br />
            After numerous issues (e.g. after order, delivery charge suddenly doubling from price originally quoted; them accidentally taking the entire amount of the order (&pound;800) from my credit card TWICE, thus blocking my card), <br />
            On 2 Oct they told me the item is dispatched and would be with me within 3-4 working days.<br />
            10 Oct it had still not arrived. <br />
            Numerous expensive and frustrating phonecalls later, now they say that it was not dispatched until 6 Oct. Why not? &ldquo;The item was not in stock&rdquo; - why didn&rsquo;t they tell me this at the time, so that I could go elsewhere?<br />
            SO, I should still be expecting it within 3-4 working days of 6 Oct.<br />
            17 Oct it has still not arrived.<br />
            I have spent quite some time on the phone with them and can honestly say that they are my least favourite people to do business with. Very rude and unprofessional (they have twice put the phone down on me). They refuse to accept any responsibility for any of their company&rsquo;s errors. They never called me back when promised or responded to email or telephone messages &ndash; never even gave me a non-premium rate or direct telephone number to contact them on. They are unmoved and uninterested by complaints - they keep repeating their corporate script over and over, hoping that you&rsquo;ll give up and go away.<br />
            The worst thing is, I now discover that by googling their name + &ldquo;bad service&rdquo;, you can find so many bad reviews and complaints - in fact, they are notorious for their poor service. I wish I had done this prior to purchase.<br />
            I still haven&rsquo;t received my goods, or been told when they will arrive. I can foresee a further battle to get them to deliver at a time when I can accept delivery (as they are so late, my schedule means that I am now less available to stay in for a delivery). What will happen if there is then something wrong with the item, I hate to think.<br />
            BEWARE - they may be cheap, but its not worth it!</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=65273" rel="nofollow"><u>100mel</u></a> on 17th October 2008, 22:09</div>
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            <div>If you have paid by card can I suggest that you raise a complaint with your bank at once. This is what I did and they got money refunded back to my account very quickly - even the bank said to me that this amounts to theft. My personal opinion is that laptops direct never actually do have the stock and all their advertising etc is nothing but a lie to get you to order and pay - I was told on the phone and by email (which the sender later tried to call back) - &quot;well you've got your money back haven't you so what are you moaning about&quot; - that was from customer services............<br />
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=186502" rel="nofollow"><u>shaaaauuuun</u></a> on 20th October 2008, 22:27</div>
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            <div>Update: None!! No response to e-mails, telephone calls, even the company directors and secretary cannot be bothered to respond to our letters. We're going to call one last time tomorrow to see if anyone has the decency to actually refund what amounts to about &pound;50 which is ridiculous considering the amount of effort put into dealing with these liars. If they can't/won't help, then it's to Trading Standards and the card issuer we go! I'm just completely floored and appalled by the lack of customer service - I work in a call centre for a company that's had its issues but we always respond to letters and complaints, even if its just to offer the common courtesy of an acknowledgement. Not once have Laptops Direct admitted their mistakes!</div>
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            <div class="smallfont">MAY BE CHEAP BUT BEWARE!<br />
            Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=180190" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">ANGRY BEAR</font></u></a><br />
            15th August 2007</div>
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                        <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Angry" border="0" alt="Angry" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif" /> <strong>Computersupermarket.com&nbsp;</strong></div>
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                        <div id="post_message_1079955" align="justify">BOUGHT IN JULY 2007.<br />
                        First: Delivered Late. Missing Parts, Faulty Monitor.<br />
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                        Second: When Returned After Repairing, The Computer Was Dead On Arrival.<br />
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                        Third: When Returned For The Third Time Had Damaged Case And The Dvd Rom Did Not Work.<br />
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                        All This Within A Four Week Period From New.<br />
                        When I Asked For A Complete Refund, All Communications From Them Stopped. I E-mailed Many Times, Phoned Them And Wrote Letters, But No Response. Now At Stage Of Taking Legal Action. Awfull Communication.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=180477" rel="nofollow"><u>The Rockape</u></a> on 19th August 2007, 14:08</div>
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                        <div>Sounds a very familiar story to me, I ordered what turned out to be a very shoddy and poor quality 20.1'' LCD TV. As soon as a problem started i.e. 1st day they are not interested, will not refund my money, but lucky for me I purchased this pile of rubbish on my visa card, so It is being refunded and they will chase them.<br />
                        ADVICE - Do not touch this company with a bargepole, to put it mildly.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=181382" rel="nofollow"><u>juggathehut</u></a> on 31st August 2007, 11:33</div>
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                        <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Angry" border="0" alt="Angry" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon8.gif" /> <strong>Re: Computersupermarket.com</strong></div>
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                        <div><font color="#800080"><b>So glad I visited this site- thought it was just me going mad!! My circumstances are EXACTLY as in the last poster- in fact I even probably bought the same LCD monitor (for &pound;139+vat?) - which was the biggest pile of rubbish I ever seen, the power unit didnt work, there was a huge &quot;hole&quot; in the pixels mid screen- awful. NEVER anything but a refurb this, couldnt possibly be A grade and nw as adverised.</b></font><br />
                        <b><font color="#800080">Made me laugh to read again the supposed &quot;reviews&quot; of satisfied buyers- like yeah, they exist all right... Cant believe I was taken in. Should have realised when it said it had a Hotline for purchases- but NOT for returns- as they &quot;have such an efficient online returns system&quot;. Right, sure..</font></b><br />
                        <b><font color="#800080">Anyway, at least I need prevaricate no longer having read this, I can make headway now with my claim to Visa. Did the last poster have full success in this please?</font></b><br />
                        <b><font color="#800080">You know, it is such a shame that collective actions cannot be taken against such companys as this- if there was only some way of retaliation I would be more than tempted. Securing the eventual return of your money hardly seems like anything of a punishment for them does it?? Besides which they have had the interest bearing possession of your cash in the duration. Does this company advertise anywhere else? If so I would like to make them aware of who they have as a customer.</font></b></div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=181396" rel="nofollow"><u>Sadsob</u></a> on 31st August 2007, 13:17</div>
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            <div>How true - I wish I visited <font color="#000080">this</font> <font color="#000080">site </font><font color="#ff0000">before </font>I bought from them. I placed and order 10 Days ago - What have I recieved? Nothing as yet. Sending e-mails or eNotes to them makes no difference? A phone call? Has anybody tried? I know that cancelling the order will result in FIGHTING for a refund and return of my money. (Unfortunately I paid by direct debit) Do yourself a favour and read their mission statement. What a joke!</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=180477" rel="nofollow"><u>The Rockape</u></a> on 31st August 2007, 17:30</div>
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            <div>Just an update, I've receeived a full refund from my bank, I just had to send by post proof of what had gone on, letters, I also printed of all my e-NOTES from the site as well. Only took about 5-7 days. Just lost out on the return postage.<br />
            A small price to pay for VICTORY.<br />
            I don't know if VISA will blacklist a company for repeat offences, anyone from the banking industry know?<br />
            You may also wish to report them to trading stadards or the DTI. An organisation called consumerdirect is well worth a call, government run and can offer advice on how to approach and tackle these</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=181382" rel="nofollow"><u>juggathehut</u></a> on 1st September 2007, 13:16</div>
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            <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Default" border="0" alt="Default" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" /> <strong>Re: Computersupermarket.com</strong></div>
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            <div><img class="inlineimg" title="Smile" border="0" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" /> Nice one Rockape!! Well pleased for you- didnt realise that bank direct debit payments had the same consumer protection as credit cards so that it well useful information (and comfort!) to me.<br />
            <b>Really</b> glad you got your cash back- albeit lost out on the postage- around a tenner yeah? <br />
            For my own ends, I made out a full report to Visa yesterday and included not only prints of all exchanges and the purchase, return and carriage docs, but also copies of postings off this site (hope no-one minds). I have asked them to review the suitability of their customer - and particularly the Visa Approved site marking they seem to have blagged. Am confident in the end of getting the cash back- but as you, will lose out on postage, the interest on the cash, and the sheer aggro of dealing with all this. <br />
            I have today written and told them what I propose to do in that I shall report them to as many bodies as possible to cause them the maximum grief in return for the grief they have foisted on people. Whilst we are &quot;fighters&quot; to get our money back I wonder how many others have been in the same position and just given up- thus motivating this company to continue to conduct their affairs in this fashion? <br />
            Cheers for your response and further info by the way!!</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=181396" rel="nofollow"><u>Sadsob</u></a> on 4th September 2007, 16:55</div>
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            <div>It is week three now. Still no order arriving - they took money quick enough! No responce to e-mails (10 so far) or their so called eNotes(Given up on this one) I suppose the figh for my money back will now start in earnest. Please advise me on the course of action you followed or will follow to 'blacklist' this incompetent company. They should not be trading !!! Their mission statement: <font color="#000080">We believe that the people who buy from the Computer Supermarket are smart people who know what they want, that's why we have invested time in building a website that allows our customers to completely manage their account without our intervention</font>. Sorry guys we have all been taken for a ride- the only part that reads true is their non intervension - not sending the products on order, that is!<img class="inlineimg" title="Evil or Very Mad" border="0" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/mad.gif" /></div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=181382" rel="nofollow"><u>juggathehut</u></a> on 4th September 2007, 18:13</div>
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            <div>Well Sadsob- 3 weeks and not looking good. Personally I would just move straight away to attempt to recover a full refund here if I was you- after all we have all seen enough on here now to know what this retailer is like. <br />
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            And the good news... after more threatening letters I have at last had a credit to my credit card for the refund of the goods!! Not the cost of the carriage back, but hey, progress at last. BINGO!!<br />
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            I resorted to threatening actions via several routes- and in fact HAVE done so- by making a full report to Visa of their misrepresentation, a full report to TV1s Watchdog and I intended to senf to DTI and Fair Trading etc. I asked them to draw this to the attention of their Directors as they will be the ones facing the repercussions etc.. Anyway, must have worked as they have now refunded- absolutely NO correspondence confirming this refund, and this is just another example of cowardice in my opinion.<br />
            I REALLY hope Watchdog take this case up - if they contact me does anyone mind if I quote their posts here?<br />
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            Anyway, good luck to all having a fight with this company- my advice: dont prevaricate and go in hard with meaningful threats of actions you WILL take.<br />
            I only wish that the laws that be had it within their remit to shut down this shower of sh** and all other companys like them. <br />
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=181759" rel="nofollow"><u>Comp Sup</u></a> on 5th September 2007, 16:03</div>
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            <div>Hello,<br />
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            My name is Ian Bird, a director here at Computer Supermarket. I'm sure you're not going to believe this but I'll give it a go anyway. I'm really sorry to hear of the problems you've had dealing with us. I'll be honest, we've let you down, our service has not been good enough. Since June our turnover has tripled, and we haven't coped very well with the surge in demand. We have new staff starting this week and an improvement in the customer service side of things will occur immediately.<br />
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            I'm not looking for sympathy, or trying to wriggle out of our responsibilities, just thought you deserved to know why things have gone so badly for you. We're not some faceless multi national company, we're hard working people and this huge upturn in business caught us by surprise.<br />
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            If I can assist anyone at all with any issue please contact me directly at <a href="mailto:ianbird@computersupermarket.com"><u><font color="#22229c">ianbird@computersupermark et.com</font></u></a>.<br />
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=181382" rel="nofollow"><u>juggathehut</u></a> on 5th September 2007, 16:45</div>
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            <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Cool" border="0" alt="Cool" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon6.gif" /> <strong>Re: Computersupermarket.com</strong></div>
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            <div>Well, first of all Ian, I will comment that I admire you for responding so publicly and I am sure others on this board will also welcome your comments and reassurances. Hence I would reply via these boards rather than by private email- although it is my intention to write separately as I am yet to be refunded the postage I am entitled to.<br />
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            The reasoning behind the appalling customer service level may be difficult to accept for some- although I personally in my professional life was accustomed to seeing companys expand at such a rate as to outstrip current resources. Without going into the corporate logistics of this situation it is an unacceptable but not too uncommon event I can assure other readers. Although some may still of course reflect why there is a direct telephone number ONLY for new sales- clearly the attraction to new sales weighing greater with you than service to those who have already presented you with their money. Hopefully this will all change with the influx of your new staff and operations will continue upon accepted methodology and standards.<br />
            Whilst I have now received my refund of the goods (lacking only postage as I said) and I am happy to accept your apology and explanation, there are others here that still have issues to resolve and hope that they have contacted you accordingly. This does not of course account for any unspoken-for customers with you maybe having the same problems, and all I would ask is that these also are afforded the respect and service they deserve and now get their issues dealt with.<br />
            At the very minimum a short email at least acknowledging their concerns is the very minimum that I would expect each complainant to be provided with. I hope you will take this on board when prioritising your new available resources. Thank you for your response.</div>
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Well Hi there. I too wish I had read these reports before I had bought from Computersupermarket.com. <br />
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DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM Computersupermarket.com <font color="#ff0000">(EDIT).</font><br />
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We did get a delivery which was late and sent to the wrong address.<br />
The screen had an american plug so we could not use it. The speakers are appalling quality.<br />
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The picture on the website is completely different and I had issue with the two usb ports which were supposed to be on the front of the tower are actually on the side which makes them really difficult to use becasue they are inaccessable for my sons setup.<br />
The wireless card which I paid extra for does not pick up my wireless router at all.<br />
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The Vista operating system is now saying that it needs reinstalling as the free period has expired. This is obviously another con.<br />
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I have phoned, emailed, raised e-notes and absolutely nothing has happende. I did actually get to speak to Ian who promised me a plug/lead for the screen and technical support but this nevwe happened. My e-note was closed before it was even opened.<br />
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I am now trying to get a refund from Visa.<br />
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Will let you know what happens.</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=184413" rel="nofollow"><u>unhappy_bunny</u></a> on 15th October 2007, 04:10</div>
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            <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Exclamation" border="0" alt="Exclamation" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon4.gif" /> <strong>Re: Computersupermarket.com</strong></div>
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            <div>Avoid like the plague! <br />
            (long review coming...) <br />
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            I was looking to build a machine, but while searching for components i found Computer Supermarket's 'Ultimate Gaming system'. For the spec it was an absolute snip - i couldn't afford to put this together for the money. Problem is, neither can these jokers. <br />
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            Once the system was ordered it was due to arrive in four to seven days (allowing for a weekend). It actually arrived two weeks after ordering, after many emails and phonecalls. A swift check of the unregistered, almost certainly not genuine copy of Vista revealed the last system backup point was fully one week after the machine was due to arrive. <br />
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            All would have been well had the system been up to the specification they'd given, but it fell far short. It would be quicker to recount what was satisfactory - it did have an E6850 inside, the DVD re-writer and hard drive weren't the brands specified but were just as good, and the speakers and the gpu were as specified, but seeing as they were the weakest links in the system, and quite mediocre, i couldn't get too excited. <br />
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            As for what was wrong... <br />
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            2gb of slow, generic memory provided instead of the 4gb of Kingston specified. <br />
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            Monitor only had vga input and not dvi as specified. <br />
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            One european power lead provided with monitor (despite psu having 12V output) and no leads with cpu at all. Not a big issue, but annoying nonetheless. <br />
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            No registration number, recovery discs, documentation, pre-registration nor even hologram sticker for &quot;genuine&quot; Vista Home Premium 64bit. <br />
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            The case was only slightly shoddy, but considering the size of the chip i doubt they'd seated the heat probes correctly because it was apparently idling at about 17&deg;C. Inside, the cable management was very poor and the cooling could best be descrbed as 'adequate'.<br />
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            After agreeing to give them the chance to put the system right, on the basis that they might try it on for those customers who might not spot the problems, i was pessimistic about what was going to eventually arrive. I wasn't to be disappointed (that is to say, i was). If they'd just stuffed another two gig of the same cheap memory into the old box it would have been an improvement on what did arrive: it did have 4gb (still not Kingston or even near equivalent) but now on a different mobo (admittedly with an e-sata port this time, but with an insufficient set of drivers) inside a totally shoddy case (in fact, supplied broken in several places) and some of the specified software not included. I'd waited a further week for this privilege, as well. <br />
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            It didn't take as much persuasion as thought for them to potentially agree to a refund, but but i'm still anticipating difficulties, as the machine has yet to be returned. The credit card company has been contacted, as have certain other parties. Customer service has been totally frustrating, hard to reach by phone (even with a direct number) and email replies are infrequent and unsatisfactory. <br />
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            I shall be building my own machine... i won't be spending much more than i would on this system, but i will be getting premium components and it will take a fraction of the time and effort involved than when dealing with this shower.</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=185345" rel="nofollow"><u>coolactuary</u></a> on 28th October 2007, 20:55</div>
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            <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Default" border="0" alt="Default" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" /> <strong>Is this the real Ian Bird?</strong></div>
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            <div>Users will have noted Ian Bird's intervention. Appears pretty reasonable doesn't it / he?<br />
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            However here are a few email exchanges you may be interested in. I won't bore you with the inaccuracies in Ian's statements, his complete failure to acknowledge non-timely delivery of the product, that it wasn't the one I'd been promised, that its manual was unusable and, not least, that the product (an MP3 player) suffered from the fundamental drawback of not playing MP3s in a way which sounded anything like any other MP3 player I've heard. Judge for yourself whether this is a man lijkely to be able to resolve the issues he invites you to email him.<br />
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            Finally he says the returns procedure is clearly set out on the website. we did not find it so at the time and, once again, no reply was received to an e-note requesting clarification. It is IMHO unlikely that a company can place restrictions on a consumer's right to return goods. It's likely to be an unfair contract term I'd have thought, not that we need to go there.<br />
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            I'm now off to Mastercard and Birmingham Trading Standards...<br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Ian</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">I note from this link </font></font></font><a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/computer-services-reviews-write/110720-computersupermarket-com.html" target="_blank"><font face="Arial"><font color="#22229c" size="2"><u>http://www.consumeractiongroup.c o.uk/forum/computer-services-reviews-write/110720-computersupermarket-com.html</u></font></font></a><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font size="2">that you are a director of Compueter Supermarket. I have to say that I am shocked by your language within the current email exchange. It is rather different from the customer-focussed picture you presented online, in response to people whose expressed views were much more aggressive than mine.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">It's one thing for a customer (who thinks they've been treated badly) to sound off. Quite another for a director of the company to do so. I had assumed that you were an under pressure customer services person. It is clear that I am far from the only person who has issues with your company.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Anyway, since you have *again* not replied to my email - a trait other customers have noted - I am posting an update to the above address. I will also be asking for a full refund from my credit card company and reporting you to Birmingham Trading Standards. I never threatened legal action and, given that your posting to the above address seeks to paint you as a successful company overwhelmed by customer demand, am again amazed that you have the time to tie up your resources in the way you suggest. I for one intend to take matters further while minimising inconvenience to me.</font></font></font><br />
            <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Just in case you don't remember the material in the above link - and since this material will form a key part part of my complaint to Birmingham Trading Standards, I set out some of the material below. It's a sorry tale, seemingly including allegations from your customers that you are engaged in illegal activity. I'll leave an assessment of that to BTS of course.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">A very final point on enotes. I raised the mechanism for returning goods in an enote. This remained unanswered. Funnily enough none of my enotes were answered, none were assigned, but all have status &quot;closed&quot;. What on earth is going on?</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Lots of quotes from this website to remaind Ian of your views followed ...</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **<font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">************************* **</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br />
            <b>From:</b> coolactuary<br />
            <b>Sent:</b> 22 October 2007 20:25<br />
            <b>To:</b> ian<br />
            <b>Subject:</b> RE: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a><br />
            <b>Importance:</b> High<br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Ian</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">I am sorry you found my email overtly aggressive. I note that you did not reply to my email dated 12 October and this, of course, did not help matters.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">In terms of the misleading nature of the website, the website showed hundreds of the make of MP3 player I ordered as being available. The player took an enormous time to turn up (I was promised an MP4 player as compensation) and I queried the delay. I was told that there were none in stock and that the website was wrong. My wife stayed in one day when we were told it would turn up. It didn't. Eventually two players turned up and we had to refuse delivery of the second. Much (or even all) of this is covered in my e-notes. Please feel free to consult them.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Taking any of the forms of action below is very much *not* what I want to do. However the goods were not of merchantable quality and I do expect to be able to get my money back. The fact of the matter was that your company has received the goods back and I've not had any evidence that the refund is going to be made.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">I look forward to your confirming the date by which a refund will be made.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Regards</font></font></font><br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br />
            <b>From:</b> Ian<br />
            <b>Sent:</b> 22 October 2007 08:16<br />
            <b>To:</b> coolactuary<br />
            <b>Subject:</b> RE: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a><br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Our returns procedure is very clearly laid out on our website, I did not authorise your return simply stated we would be happy to have this item back, I then assumed you would follow the correct return procedures and obtain an RMA online as set out when placing your order, when you agreed to be bound by our terms and conditions of sale. In my email I did not issue you with a returns number so your claim I authorised this is not correct. I also notice from your mail that you are complaining that the batteries on the MP3 are not rechargable, we did not say they were are and they are not, I think you may be mistaking this with our MP4 player range.</font></font></font></div>
            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Despite your overtly aggresive email, despite you not requesting a return online, despite one of your complaints about the MP3 player being frankly ludicrous, despite the fact that you did not request a refund for this product until 6 weeks after receiving it I will attempt to resolve this situation. I do suggest you follow through with all your threats listed below as I can assure you we take all complaints like this extremely seriously and would welcome the opportunity to defend ourselves in a much more formal setting. You claimed our website is misleading, can you please confirm exactly what on our site is misleading prior to my passing this case over to our legal department.</font></font></font></div>
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Regards</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Ian<br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><b>From:</b> </font></font><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">coolactuary</font></font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><b>Sent:</b> 21 October 2007 18:56<br />
            <b>To:</b> ian<br />
            <b>Subject:</b> RE: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Ian</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">I have no such number and, despite the insistence of your website on procedures, could find no means of getting one. I do have an email from you (personally) authorising this and a recorded delivery record, ensuring its delivery.</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff">Hopefully this is more than sufficient. As you can see from the email trail below, my order number was 53637</font></font></font><br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">-----Original Message-----<br />
            <b>From:</b> Ian<br />
            <b>Sent:</b> 11 October 2010 11:56<br />
            <b>To:</b> </font></font><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">coolactuary</font></font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><b>Subject:</b> RE: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#000080"><font color="#000080"><font face="Arial">Dear Sir,</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#000080"><font color="#000080"><font face="Arial">If you can please confirm your returns authorisation number I&rsquo;ll look into this immediately.</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#000080"><font color="#000080"><font face="Arial">Regards</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#000080"><font color="#000080"><font face="Arial">Ian </font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <b><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b></font></font></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"> coolactuary</font></font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b><b>Sent:</b></b> 20 October 2007 19:12<br />
            <b><b>To:</b></b> ian<br />
            <b><b>Cc:</b></b> <a href="mailto:support@computersupermarket.com"><u><font color="#22229c">support@computersupermark et.com</font></u></a><br />
            <b><b>Subject:</b></b> FW: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a><br />
            <b><b>Importance:</b></b> High</font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Ian</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">** Please reply to this email **</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">I have had no reply to you, and just want to ensure you appreciate the seriousness of the situation. It occurs to me that Computer Supermarket may claim non-receipt of the email. Therefore I am copying this email to your support address to increase the chances of this.</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Let me again reinforce the points in the email below. Should the refund not appear on my next credit card statement I will commence some or all of the following:</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">- referral to your managing director</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">- referral to the Birmingham Trading Standards</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">- a Statutory Demand against Computer Supermarket</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">- setting my credit card company on you</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">- in due course publish details of the (non-)correspondence on my protest website</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Please do the easy (and right) thing:</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">- reply to the email</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">- refund the money</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Regards</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br />
            <b><b>From:</b></b> </font></font></font><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">coolactuary</font></font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b><b>Sent:</b></b> 12 October 2007 09:39<br />
            <b><b>To:</b></b> ian<br />
            <b><b>Subject:</b></b> RE: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a></font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Ian</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">I sent the unit back recorded delivery with a request for a refund. Nothing has turned up yet, including on the credit card statement which arrived yesterday. Let me be polite but firm, since I do not want this issue to take up much more of my (or your) time: if our next credit card statement does not show a refund and you have not made a refund by another method, I will report Computer Supermarket to Birmingham Trading Standards (referring to the lack of refund and misleading information on your website and other issues) and get my credit card company to pursue Computer Supermarket for a refund. Dealing with your company has not been a good experience I'm afraid.</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Regards</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            </font></font></font></font></font><blockquote><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br />
            <b><b>From:</b></b> Ian<br />
            <b><b>Sent:</b></b> 07 September 2007 08:47<br />
            <b><b>To:</b></b> </font></font></font><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">coolactuary</font></font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b><b>Subject:</b></b> RE: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a></font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Dear Sir,</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">This unit does not come with a rechargable battery, it uses AAA ones. We are more than happy for you to send this item back to us and if faulty to have either a refund or replacement.</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Regards</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Ian Bird</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <b><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b></font></font></font></b><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"> coolactuary</font></font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b><b>Sent:</b></b> 06 September 2007 22:46<br />
            <b><b>To:</b></b> <a href="mailto:sales@computersupermarket.com"><u><font color="#22229c">sales@computersupermarket .com</font></u></a><br />
            <b><b>Subject:</b></b> FW: Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a><br />
            <b><b>Importance:</b></b> High</font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Sir</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Not for the first time, there has been no response to my enote. I wish to return good below as faulty. Please confirm that I can do so. My order number is 53637.</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">I llok forward to your response.</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#0000ff"><font face="Arial">Yours faithfully</font></font></font></font></font><br />
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            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<br />
            <b><b>From:</b></b> </font></font></font><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">coolactuary</font></font><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><br />
            <b><b>Sent:</b></b> 04 September 2007 12:17<br />
            <b><b>To:</b></b> </font></font></font><font face="Tahoma"><font size="2">coolactuary</font></font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><font size="2"><font face="Tahoma"><b><b>Subject:</b></b> Complaint to <a href="http://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><u><font color="#22229c">Computer Superstore, Computer Components, Computer Cases, Graphics Cards and Mp3 Players in the UK</font></u></a></font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Online form sent to </font></font></font><a href="file://www.computersupermarket.com/" target="_blank"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#22229c" face="Arial"><u>www.computersupermarket.c om</u></font></font></font></a> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Category :<b><b> Returns</b></b> Sub Category :<b><b> FAQ - Questions relating to Returns</b></b> Order Number : 53637 Subject : : Request to return goods Message : </font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">************************* ************************* ************************* ************************* ************************* ************************* ************************* *******************</font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Sir</font></font></font> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">I raise this note having read </font></font></font><a href="http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/know-your-rights/electrical/" target="_blank"><font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font color="#22229c" face="Arial"><u>http://www.consumerdirect.gov.uk/after_you_buy/know-your-rights/electrical/</u></font></font></font></a> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">My son's birthday was on 10th August and the MP3 player arrived just in time (after several chases). Bizarrely we have now had to reject another MP3 player twice. On 16 August we went on holiday (leaving the Mp3 player at home). He has not been able to use it since.</font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">My complaint is that:</font></font></font> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">- voices are almost inaudible on songs (e.g. the track &quot;Chasing Cars&quot;)</font></font></font> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">- the manual is unusable, being written in pigeon English</font></font></font> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">- the battery seems not to be chargeable</font></font></font> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">- as a result(?) the MP3 player is not usable</font></font></font> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">So, while this MP3 player was cheap, it was not fit for purpose.</font></font></font> <br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">My son has used the MP3 player only 2 or 3 times and I believe I am within my rights to request a full refund. Please confirm that you agree to this and the mechanism for achieving it.</font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial"><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font size="2"><font face="Arial">Yours faithfully</font></font></font> </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=186549" rel="nofollow"><u>sharon ev737</u></a> on 13th November 2007, 13:19</div>
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            <div>i bought a computer from computersupermarket on sept 25th it came late and broken since then i have returned it asking for a refund and have heard nothing ive now threatened them with court action and still nothin from them. it was my kids christening and they got money as gifts so they put most of their money in to buy it while i payed the rest. i dont know how a company can treat people like this they wont return ur notes or even acknowledge you. all i want is my money bacxk but as yet i havent and from what i have read on here i dont think its gonna be anytime soon either. can anyone tell me what i can do next.</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=185345" rel="nofollow"><u>coolactuary</u></a> on 13th November 2007, 20:54</div>
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                        <div>Originally Posted by <strong>sharon ev737</strong> <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/computer-services-reviews-review/110720-computersupermarket-com-j.html#post1232114" rel="nofollow"><img class="inlineimg" title="View Post" border="0" alt="View Post" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif" /></a></div>
                        <div style="font-style: italic">i bought a computer from computersupermarket on sept 25th it came late and broken since then i have returned it asking for a refund and have heard nothing ive now threatened them with court action and still nothin from them. it was my kids christening and they got money as gifts so they put most of their money in to buy it while i payed the rest. i dont know how a company can treat people like this they wont return ur notes or even acknowledge you. all i want is my money bacxk but as yet i havent and from what i have read on here i dont think its gonna be anytime soon either. can anyone tell me what i can do next.</div>
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            Well Sharon, I did get my money back (only around &pound;35) eventually, but it took a couple of months and many chasing emails.<br />
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            I hope you asked for an RMA number before returning the goods. I was too wound up to find how to do this. I phoned for instructions but no one answered. I did at least pay by credit card, so would have been able to get the money back from them if it they hadn't eventually coughed up. Probably best to keep away from legals I'd guess. Their pockets will be deeper than yours. There's always trading standards as well as the c/card company.</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=186549" rel="nofollow"><u>sharon ev737</u></a> on 13th November 2007, 21:04</div>
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            <div>i did get an rma number and have followed the instructions on returning the computer they have had it back 3 wks now and i still haven't heard anything from them. i paid with my bank card an i dont think i can get the money back via the bank can i? i e mail and send them rma notes and still nothing heard from the company.</div>
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=190804" rel="nofollow"><u>MP4user</u></a> on 15th January 2008, 14:43</div>
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            <div>I bought one of their MP4 Players with built in FM Radio.<br />
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            I currently can't record from the FM Radio, although the manual and their website tells me I can.<br />
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            Can anyone help?<br />
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            <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=111052" rel="nofollow"><u>Sol</u></a> on 12th February 2008, 14:25</div>
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            <div>*This is quite a long post as I've included emails sent between myself and Comp Supermarket.*<br />
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            I am so <img border="0" alt="" src="http://img.moneysavingexpert.com/smilies/angry-smiley-030.gif" /> at this company!<br />
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            My dad ordered a pc for me for Christmas last year, and it still doesn't work in February.<br />
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            It has been sent back to them on 3 separate occasions and each time it returns, there's another problem.<br />
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            When it first arrived in November, the USB port at the front of the tower collapsed into it and the CD drive would not work.<br />
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            On the second occasion, the PC died completely and the back of the tower caved in ie. where the keyboard, mouse is plugged in etc.<br />
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            It came back to me again in January and now the front cover of the USB port is missing and the tower is all scratched. I obviously won't accept it as my dad paid over &pound;350 for it.<br />
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            After months of trying to get to speak to someone, I find the manager's email address on the Consumer Action Group website and contact him directly.<br />
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            Here's some of his emails. Let me know what you think. <img border="0" alt="" src="http://img.moneysavingexpert.com/smilies/angry-smiley-030.gif" /> <br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000"><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b>Paul </font></font></font></font><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><b>Sent:</b> 11 February 2008 17:58</font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><b>To:</b> ian</font></font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000"><font face="Tahoma"><b>Subject:</b> RE: Faulty computer</font></font></font></font></div>
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            <div align="left">Hi,</div>
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            <div align="left">I'm just off the phone to Neil at Tech Support.</div>
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            <div align="left">The first return was due to the front USB ports on the tower caving into the system and the CD rom not working.</div>
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            <div align="left">The second return was due to the tower 'dying' and the back of the tower caving in ie. where you plug in the keyboard, mouse etc.</div>
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            <div align="left">It is being returned again because the USB ports are still not secure enough to be used regularly and the door which covers the USB port has been snapped off, as well as it being scratched all over.</div>
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            <div align="left">Neil said it was due to the couriers being rough with the parcels and it was being damaged in transit. This is certainly not the case in the latest return as the door that covers the USB ports should be in the box, but it's not. Besides if it was due to the courier damaging the products, surely that is between yourselves and them, not us.</div>
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            <div align="left">Regards</div>
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            <div align="left">xxxxxxxxxxx</div>
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            <font face="Arial">Reply</font><br />
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            <div align="left">Mr xxxxxxx,</div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Prior to our PC systems being dispatched they're subjected to a 144 point inspection, it would be commercial suicide to send computers out that do not work as the cost of resolving problems later is prohibitive. I can assure you that your machine left us in perfect condition, the problems you have experienced are unfortunate and frustrating for us all. We send these machines out in good faith, despite your accusations, otherwise we would not be permitted to either be a member of ISIS, or to actually take payment over the internet.</font></font></div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Prior to signing your contract of sale you had to tick a box stating 'I have read, understood and agree to be bound by your terms and conditions of sale'. The following clause is clearly highlighted, in fact in your order email it states that all items should be signed for as either 'damaged' or 'unchecked', a further email confiming this is sent some 12 hours after your order has been dispatched also. The reason for this is that all our goods have transit insurance, when you receive a parcel you are not only signing to say you've received your goods but received them in a good condition. Once you have signed to say that the goods have been received in a good condition our insurance ends and we're unable to claim for any subsequent damage you may notice.</font></font></div>
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            <div align="left"><b>7.4</b> When signing for goods customers must ensure that they either check the goods and sign to confirm that they have received the products in good condition or sign for the parcel as &lsquo;damaged&rsquo; or &lsquo;unchecked&rsquo;. Failure to sign for a parcel as &lsquo;damaged&rsquo; or &lsquo;unchecked&rsquo; will invalidate any later claim that the customer may have if the goods are proven to have been damaged in transit.</div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Despite your failure to sign as either 'damaged' or 'unchecked' on any of the three occasions you've received a PC, despite the tone of your email to me, despite the fact I could have let you proceed with legal action before making you aware of the contract you signed I am here willing and ready to assist you further. We have over 14,000 customers a year, and despite what you may have read on a selective website we go out of our way to assist customers. If you would like me to get this item collected and replaced then please let me know.</font></font></div>
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            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Regards</font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">xxxxxxx</font></font><br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Paul</font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><b>Sent:</b> 11 February 2008 18:23</font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><b>To:</b> ian</font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><b>Subject:</b> RE: Faulty computer</font></div>
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            Dear Sir,<br />
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            The item was signed for when it was received and was set up immediately. Whe I set it up the product was not in the advertised state ie. the USB ports were caved in and the CD rom wouldn't work. This was reported and returned to you immediately. It is your slow pace at getting things returned to me that has meant that in February I am still without a working computer.<br />
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            I don't like your tone either. 3 months have passed and I still can't use your computer; your phone lines obviously aren't open until 6pm and your own staff have admitted that it could be due to couriers.<br />
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            Be assured that I will take action against you if you do not refund me immediately. I'm sure you're aware, that any consumer who receives a product which is not in its advertised state, is entitled to a full refund. I am exercising that right as a consumer.<br />
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            If I take legal action against you, I will also forward on the legal costs and charge statutory interest.<br />
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            Regards<br />
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            xxxxxxxx<br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Mr xxxxx,</font></font></div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">I have tried to assist you, please proceed with your legal action. I can prove however you received your goods as advertised and in perfect working order, you signed to say you did.</font></font></div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Regards</font></font></div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">xxxxx</font></font></div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Paul</font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><b>Sent:</b> 11 February 2008 18:40</font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><b>To:</b> ian</font><br />
            <font face="Tahoma"><b>Subject:</b> RE: Faulty computer</font></div>
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            <div align="left">Dear Sir,</div>
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            <div align="left">I signed to say I received the product, not to say the goods were in working order. You can check through the various emails and e-notes I've sent you to say this.</div>
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            <div align="left">The goods were not in working order and never have been. I have kept all contact made with you and will use it to make a case against you.</div>
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            <div align="left">I note your unwillingness to sort this out and will be contacting the various consumer organistions also.</div>
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            <div align="left">Regards</div>
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            <div align="left">xxxxxxxx</div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Mr xxxxxx,</font></font><br />
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">You certainly did state you'd received the PC in a good condition, it states it quite clearly in the box you sign when receiving an item from City Link. Playing devils advocate how do I know you haven't dropped the machine by accident, damaged it on purpose? Mr xxxxx, seriously I am here to assist you in any way I can, if you choose then legal route then fine, that is your choice. I can confirm, from experience, what will happen however as I said the choice is yours. If you change your mind please let me know, if I do not hear from you by tomorrow I will have to unfortunately pass your case onto our legal department so that they can resolve this.</font></font></div>
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            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Regards</font></font><br />
            xxxxx<br />
            <br />
            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000"><font face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Paul </font></font></font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><font color="#000000"><font face="Tahoma"><b>Sent:</b> 11 February 2008 18:59</font></font></font></font><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><b>To:</b> ian</font></font><br />
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><b>Subject:</b> RE: Faulty computer</font></font></font></font></div>
            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff"><br />
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            <div align="left">Dear Sir,</div>
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            <div align="left">Just to clarify, do you expect your customers to open the box, check everything is there, set up the PC and then sign for it? I am sure the courier would not be willing to wait the half hour or so it would take to do this.</div>
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            <div align="left">Mr xxxxxx</div>
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            <div align="left"><font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">No, that's why you can sign for it as unchecked, as clearly stated in our terms and conditions of sale. This situation only covers damage in transit, smashed cases, motherboards becoming dislodged etc. Under contract law the goods become your property the second you sign for them, so we insure the goods until they become your property. If you had problems that were not damage in transit then of course that's covered, but the damage you described can only have been caused by the parcel having been dropped or mistreated either by the customer or the courier. Mr xxxxxx, as I've said before I understand your frustration, please understand ours. We can prove the item left us in perfect condition (engineers report) and if we have to we can also prove it arrived with you in perfect condition (delivery note). We could turn away from you now and leave you to it, but we're still offering to resolve this for you.</font></font></div>
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            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">Regards</font></font><br />
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            <font face="Arial"><font color="#0000ff">xxxxxx</font></font><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1656401" align="justify">I purchased a DELL lap top 6 months ago which unfortunately stopped working. I contacted curry's where I purchased the laptop and was very worried when I was told I had to call the DELL call centre for help. My prejudices and past experiences with call centres abroad didn't fill me with much hope but I have to say the service was outstanding. I am one very very happy DELL customer and even though the lap top mother board broke (no one's perfect <img class="inlineimg" title="Smile" border="0" alt="" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif" />) I would certainly stick with DELL for my next purchase.</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=192789" rel="nofollow"><u>spartathisis</u></a> on 6th January 2009, 18:13</div>
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                        <div>I bought a dell desktop system 16 months ago, everything was fine until the lcd monitor stopped working 2 weeks ago. their monitors come with 3yrs warranty, UNLESS they come with a system then its 12 months!<br />
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                        Have got no-where with them foreign CS working from a script knowing nothing about UK law. Got through to out of warranty helpline that wanted &pound;25 +vat to diagnose what was wrong with it (power problem) + repair costs. <br />
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                        Bought an Acer widescreen with 3yr warranty for less.<br />
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                        Afraid I wont buy from Dell again after my experience.</div>
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            <div class="smallfont">Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=234184" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">Grintriumph</font></u></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1919268" align="justify">Cheap products but after sales service non-existant,returned faulty goods about a month ago,no response to emails,phone messages,recorded letters.<br />
                        Did eventually speak to a person and they said I would be charged a 10 % restocking fee !,which is a clear breach off 2 acts, the distance selling regs and the sale off goods act.<br />
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            <div class="smallfont">Published by <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=3381" rel="nofollow"><u><font color="#22229c">robert_harper_2000</font></u></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1198051" align="justify">It has been well reviewed on the Internet, just wish I had read these before I stupidly used them.<br />
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                        I paid for services was told the programmer won't complete the site and that is that. I contacted Scriptlance who said never mind. Down &pound;500!<br />
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                        I tried again with someone who had excellent reviews! down &pound;1500. Scriptlance not interested.<br />
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                        They aren't interested in sorting out the problems. <br />
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                        Most importantly YOU HAVE NO PROTECTION</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=166651" rel="nofollow"><u>Wingus</u></a> on 26th September 2008, 11:42</div>
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                        <div>ouch, ouch and double ouch!!!! Firstly, web design is a volatile area, anyone can claim to be a designer, but unfortunately, there is a lack of official companies and regulations to actually see who is lying and who isn't.<br />
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                        As for scriptlance, you would expect that to be proffesional, but it seems in your case, they are not even close to being good.<br />
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                        I would suggest not paying them a penny more, for anything, and possibly keep on demanding you get your money back. I don't know how you actually stand legally, or who you could contact to try and put a bit of legal preasure on them to cough up, i only hope someone can help.<br />
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                        This industry, as it seems to be, needs far more regulation and proof that a person can do the work, mabee some sort of independant appraising company, that is regulated in the UK, that the public can contact in case of problems, that would help a lot towards peace of mind, and removing dodgy website makers or designers</div>
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                        <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=235644" rel="nofollow"><u>cr3ature</u></a> on 20th January 2009, 19:26</div>
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                        <div>Wish i would have known i am a website developer i would have done it for ya for free. Sorry to hear that you got ripped off by these people</div>
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            <div class="smallfont">Published by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=5"><font color="#ff8429"><u>BankFodder</u></font></a><br />
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                        <div id="post_message_1083420" align="justify">Which? recently did a survey of about 300 Broadband customers and found that actual speeds were not as advertised.<br />
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                        We thought that we try and produce a map of speed based on post codes and providers so that people could actually find out what they were likely t get before making their choice and putting their money down.<br />
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                        Here is the beta. It needs testing and lots of comments please.<br />
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                                    <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=139874" rel="nofollow"><u>MATTYFEZ</u></a> on 29th August 2007, 08:10</div>
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                                    <div class="smallfont"><img class="inlineimg" title="Default" border="0" alt="Default" src="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif" /> <strong>Re: National Broadband Speedfinder project - beta</strong></div>
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                                    <div>Brilliant idea, however, it only sems to cater for download speeds, upload speeds play a big part in terms of peer to peer dowload speed.</div>
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                                    <div class="normal">By <a href="http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/member.php?u=134406" rel="nofollow"><u>Conniff</u></a> on 12th April 2008, 10:08</div>
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                                    <div>I'm not sure I understand the results bars.<br />
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                                    On the advertised (blue) is that showing what you should be getting ?<br />
                                    If so then the average and actual are miles over and no one seems to be getting a poor service, in fact everyone seems to be getting thousands of percent above what is advertised.<br />
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                                    Am I reading it correctly?</div>
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